A guy who sells ads, trying to tell me he’ll sell FEWER ads, as long as he’s given a chance to make the ads MORE VALUABLE?

That just completely defies logic…

Hi all
I work on behalf of Phorm here in the UK. To clarify a few of the points raised about. Firstly, choice is critical to Webwise. If you opt out no data is passed from the ISP to Phorm.

In response to the queries by Jake: there are two distinctly separate processes in the Phorm system: data capture and ad serving. The data capture system only stores one item of information on your computer — a random number. The random number is the only thing that distinguishes your browser from the millions of others on the internet. It does not contain any information about you or your computer. The only person able to make that connection is you, as you have that cookie in your browser.

As you browse your browsing behaviour is matched against pre-defined advertiser categories for everyday products eg travel or sport.

No urls, browsing histories or IP addresses are retained and the raw data used to make the match is deleted in real time – by the time the page loads. There is, in essence, no data other than the categories and the random number stored in the system and so it’s impossible to know (or indeed reverse engineer from that) who you are or where you’ve been.

In the ad serving phase, when your computer requests an advert from the OIX (because a website has included our tag in their page), the browser sends the random number and the categories are used to deliver the targeted ad, not the details of your browsing, or anything about you or your computer.

Hope this helps
Phorm UK PR team

I suppose it is inevitable that such schemes are deployed upon the unsuspecting public, it’s a shame. I hope this stays in the UK, but I know that is just wishful thinking.

I will seek out an ISP that rejects this silly business plan. I’m sure there are others who will do the same.

Hello all. I came across this comment on Slashdot by a user named ‘Anticrypt’. It deals with various issues surrounding Phorm spyware. I thought the post was pretty interesting and insightful, so I’m going to reproduce it here.

The URL is here: http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=489948&cid=22777122

Here is the text:

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Here are the notes I took from a sales pitch to a client. Although NDAs were passed around, all of the technical and business consulting staff refused to sign them, so this information is freely available and can in no way be considered a trade secret. Some of my notes come from other people’s observations in the ensuing PR war. Phorm’s sales teams have been aggressively targeting large ISPs with low margins around Europe and the US in the last year or so. They only pitch to board level decision makers, and like to avoid providing any technical detail whenever possible.

Phorm has hired a specialty PR company, Citigate Dewe Rogerson [citigatedr.co.uk] to alter public perception of any complaints found in blogs, news programs, and on technical sites. They have been aggressively pasting boilerplate responses about the legality of the system, using carefully sanitized language to obfuscate the debate. The company specialises in mastering public opinion as part of crisis management during corporate fiascos. They may be employing a few companies like this, I’ve seen Dutch, German and French language follow-up posts in the last few weeks.

Phorm has addressed the main part of pesky privacy laws in Europe by “gifting” the collection equipment to the ISP using a standard 5 year depreciation schedule. The interception and initial filtering kit officially becomes property of the ISP, but is installed, maintained, configured and run by Phorm’s technical team. If the equipment stays 5 years in the ISP’s premises, then it becomes the full property of the ISP. The ISP can claim to privacy oversight groups that the equipment belongs to them, and that all the personal information hasn’t left their network should post-analysis show the customer has “opted-out” of passing the information to Phorm’s China-based servers. The data is still captured and analyzed, just not all of it is passed to Phorm.

The Phorm collectors sit inside the ISP’s network, and collect all internet traffic from all clients all the time. Web traffic is directed to machines that analyze the request, and respond with some HTML code redirecting the browser to one of the many domains operated by Phorm. The code can be customised depending on browser string to put an invisible iframe or other HTML structure surrounding the subsequent web pages. The redirect is to trick the browser into sending cookies associated with one of the many Phorm domains, and to accept new cookies. Once the cookies are read and re-written, more HTML code is sent to once again redirect the browser to try the original request, which then passes through the ISP’s network to the internet. This is how Phorm claims to read the opt-out cookies should they exist. No cookies returned is considered opt-in at this point.

The problem I, and others, had with Phorm’s plan was that they leave some kind of HTML trick code running in the browser session to track all subsequent web traffic and to allow them to intercept anything they believe to be relevant.

As an example, let’s take an ordinary, un-intercepted session to slashdot.org. The browser sends an HTML request to the slashdot servers, which respond with code asking about cookies which can be used to display a customised page for logged-in slashdot users. The browser can’t be tricked by slashdot’s servers to return cookies from digg or google.

With Phorm, the initial HTML request to slashdot.org gets intercepted by the Phorm equipment, which respond with a 302 redirect to spyware.ru, the browser then does a lookup and redirect to the new site. Note, that at this point, no traffic has managed to escape the ISP and get to the internet. At this point, the Phorm interceptor machine can also respond to the DNS lookup for malware.ru with the correct address for slashdot.org, to prevent any kind of local firewalling based on known bad networks. The browser tries to get to malware.ru with the new address, and once again the Phorm equipment returns some HTML code. This is where the serious trouble begins, the code can be just about anything, javascript, iframes, cross-site scripting attack, activeX exploits. The code can be used to read and set cookies, add some javascript in an iFrame to survive no matter where the user browses to, etc. It’s a malware writer’s wet dream, to have complete control over the TCP stream the browser sees before the user ever gets to the internet.

Once the browser has been sufficiently hijacked, another 302 temporary redirect can be injected into the browser session using the original HTTP request, so the user sees only a slight delay before reaching their intended website. Given the glacial speeds most UK networks operate at, an extra half second delay is not going to be noticed by non-technical types.

More fun is now to be had, as the page returned from the website can also be copied and analyzed by the Phorm intercept kit. If you log onto a private website, the Phorm kit can see the entire contents. This means a user checking their webmail on the local ISP’s server (without an SSL session since it isn’t going over the internet) can have the contents read and analyzed by Phorm.

Where the storm of controversy comes from is that technically apt people (like slashdot’s readership) are beginning to understand just what an internet stream hijack implies. It means that Phorm can not only read all your web traffic, they can intercept all the traffic near the headend of your broadband connection and read anything. They can read your IM sessions, they can read your email, they can get it all.

Now, at this point, the über-technically adept point out encryption, certificates, Man-in-the-Middle attacks and the like. True, https sessions, encrypted IM, TLS protected POP&IMAP and other protected protocols give some protection from snooping on the content, but not much “signals analysis” protection. They can still snoop on your DNS traffic, even if you run your own local caching server or use OpenDNS or AlterDNS. They can still see what the end points of your encrypted tunnels are. Sure, you could tunnel all your traffic to a remote VPN server, but how many of you do that now? How many average users would even bother?

I was going to insert a long analysis of how they analyze and claim to anonymize the data collected, but this post has gone way too long for slashdot. Maybe another post another time.

I will add that the people behind Phorm have been developing and selling malware and adware for a number of years, and apparently made enough money off of an impossible to uninstall adware toolbar to fund this latest push into malware distribution. Their programmers are mostly Saint Petersburg based, home to the Russian Business Network [slashdot.org]. Their servers are kept only in Saint Petersburg and China, so no ISP customer data is ever stored in the UK. Any personally identifying information they obtain about UK citizens can never be seen or purged using existing UK Data Protection Laws. They run under dozens of different domain names, the name of the company has changed from PeopleOnPage to 121media and recently changed from sysip.net to Phorm. This is typical of a company that knows it will have to shed it’s tarnished brand every year to stay ahead of public outcry. I expect they already have their next brand lined up when they need to burn the Phorm brand.

Sir Tim Berners-Lee has seen their presentation, and held a press conference yesterday to try to stop the practice cold. Even if Phorm is stopped dead tomorrow, the business conditions and legal loopholes are still present to encourage ISPs to try this again and again, and it will certainly be much worse in the US where there is absolutely no legal protections at all, and a ready market for personal data.

the AC