Philly City Council Members Want To Sue Facebook And Twitter Over Flash Mob Snowball Fight

from the section-230 dept

And here we go again. Apparently there was recently a “flash mob” snowball fight in Philadephia that got a bit out of control, resulting in a “rampage” through a Macy’s department store. Nobody was hurt, but 16 people were arrested. So how are Philly officials dealing with it? They’re threatening to sue Twitter and Facebook. Seriously. Two city council members say that those companies deserve some of the blame and a lawsuit is an option:

“While [the kids] certainly owe this city an apology and deserve to be punished under the fullest extent of the law, we believe that social media outlets should also bear some of the blame.” The letter, written by council members Frank DiCicco and James F. Kenney, explains that this is the second such time a band of mischievous teens has formed via social media and went on to destroy property. “We believe that the lack of monitoring of these sites allows for mass, organized riots to occur.”

Hopefully someone explains to these two council members that both sites are certainly protected from liability under Section 230 of the CDA. But, more importantly, beyond just invoking those safe harbors, can someone explain to them how silly it is to blame a communication tool for how it’s used? Do they want to sue the phone company when criminals use phones to plan their crimes? Do they threaten to sue the car companies when a car is used in a crime? Furthermore, if their complaint is that these sites failed to “monitor” what people were planning, then isn’t the city council actually even more to blame? The content of Twitter is available to the public, and these days much of Facebook is as well (and info on such a flashmob would almost certainly be public). Then shouldn’t Philadelphia officials be aware of what’s being planned in their own city? Based on the reasoning of DiCicco and Kenney, perhaps they should be suing themselves for failing to monitor what kids in their city were planning on some very public forums.

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Alan Gerow (profile) says:

Re: wow

I read in another article that kids used a variety of tools to get their agenda accomplished. The list of items now deemed socially threatening are:

Language – English … each person is now required to speak in their own unique language that is to be understood by nobody else.

Brains … the government education system has spent nearly a century trying to atrophy children’s brains so that they can no longer use them. Obviously the government fails another program. People are now forbidden from thinking useful thoughts.

Computers … each one of them used a computer. Ban the production of all computers, and impound all existing computers.

Telecom infrastructure … the US’s own telecom system was used against it in this unparalleled attack by clumps of frozen moisture. Shut down all communications between citizens.

Mother Nature … she provided the ammo, that bitch.

Obviously language, our brains, computers, and the telecom system all shoulder equal responsibility in the tragic events that unsettled a Macy’s for an afternoon. Our ancestors should be ashamed of themselves for developing language … God should be tried for giving us brains … nothing good has ever come from a computer … and the telecom system only enables large-scale communication.

Fortunately, we’re already taking care of Mother Nature. A couple more decades of pollution and she’ll no longer be a nuisance.

jorge the spitting mad chimp says:

not always so sunny in philly

i’ve always wondered what was wrong with that city – the butt of so many jokes for obviously good reasons. philly is financially destitute, politically bereft, and yet they throw iceballs at their quarterbacks, batteries at their pitchers and now they want to sue facebook, but why not comcast too? (that’s the philly cable co) and while they’re at it, maybe they could go after the credit card companies for financing everything from cigarettes to prostitutes.

oh, yeah, and it was my girlfriend’s fault why i cheated on her too… figured if we were gonna go with specious reasoning i’d get that cleared up too.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re:

SEPTA provided transportation for this as well.

Being a Philadelphian in exile I can remember the police and the city government going ape shit over a few things- both MOVE confrontations are a good example. The second one ended with around three city blocks burned to the ground and I could see the fire light 30 blacks away.

TheDanimal (profile) says:

@Celia

Damnit! That’s what I was going to say….

But the point being, I’m surprised that this didn’t happen in DC and Baltimore also, where the snow removal was such a problem…

But if anything or anyone deserves to be sued, its sub-atomic particles, people! Think about it! Everything used to organize and perpetrate this crime contains sub-atomic particles: the people, the snowballs, the computers, and the links between them. You could knock this whole thing out in one suit!

Anonymous Coward says:

I wonder why they’re not suing the ISPs (including the local carriers) since the network traffic went over their lines.

Anyway, flash mobs are exactly protected under the US Constitution.

Some people partaking of their constitutionally protected right to assemble, ended up breaking existing laws. They were arrested, they’ll be tried, and, if convicted, punished.

Politicians are *all* stupid, at least publicly. May as well give up reporting on it since we’re all tired of reading about it. As the US political system goes down the tubes, taking the country with it…

:) says:

Playing with words.

While [the kids] certainly owe this country[city] an apology and deserve to be punished under the fullest extent of the law, we believe that politicians[social media outlets] should also bear some of the blame.” The letter, written by council members Frank DiCicco and James F. Kenney, explains that this is the second such time a band of mischievous teens has formed via governments[social media] and went on to destroy economies[property]. “We believe that the lack of monitoring of these sites allows for mass, organized riots to occur.

While [the kids] certainly owe this city an apology and deserve to be punished under the fullest extent of the law, we believe that social gatherings outlets should also bear some of the blame.” The letter, written by council members Frank DiCicco and James F. Kenney, explains that this is the second such time a band of mischievous teens has formed via social gathering and went on to destroy property. “We believe that the lack of monitoring of these sites allows for mass, organized riots to occur.

There is a Obama, Bush, republican, democrat, government joke in there somewhere I know it.

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