Boiling Elon Musk – Jumping Out Of The Pot Of Platform Law?

from the giving-control-to-the-users dept

The boiling frog syndrome suggests that if a frog jumps into a pot of boiling water, it immediately jumps out — but if a frog jumps into a slowly heating pot, it senses no danger and gets cooked. Mark Zuckerberg’s Facebook has been gradually coming to a boil of dysfunction for a decade – some are horrified, but many fail to see any serious problem. Now Elon Musk has jumped into a Twitter that he may quickly bring to a boil. Many expect either him – or hordes of non-extremist Twitter users – to jump out.

The frog syndrome may not be true of frogs, and Musk may not bring Twitter to an immediate boil, but the deeper problem that could boil us all is “platform law:” Social media, notably Twitter, have become powerful platforms that are bringing our new virtual “public square” to a raging boil. Harmful and polarizing disinformation and hate speech are threatening democracy here, and around the world.

The apparent problem is censorship versus free speech (whatever those may mean) — but the deeper problem is who sets the rules for what can be said, to what audience? Now we are facing a regime of platform law, where these private platforms have nearly unlimited power to set and enforce rules for censoring who can say what, with little transparency or oversight, even though they are fast becoming essential services. Are we to trust that to a few billionaire owners or Wall Street? Pseudo-independent oversight boards? The slowly and erratically turning wheels of government? “Self-sovereign” users or communities of users that may self-organize, but may also run wild as mobs? Or some new hybrid of some or all those that can offer both freedom and order?

Musk now brings this problem to a boil for all users to see. Either democracies will see the urgency and act, or they will die. Even if the boiling is slow and takes decades, leaving this power to control speech in this new public square in the hands of private businesses or governments will leave “a loaded gun on the table,” ready to be picked up by any would-be authoritarian.

It will take time and much sorting out, but some hybrid control is the only feasible solution that can preserve democracy. There are many ideas leading toward that rebirth — the optimistic scenario is that Musk could foster that.

Twitter has already begun to consider a step in that direction with Bluesky, an independent project funded by Jack Dorsey, and consistent with Mike Masnick’s proposals for “Protocols, Not Platforms.” Variations include Cory Doctorow’s adversarial interoperability, and Ethan Zuckerman’s Digital Public Infrastructure. A “middleware” architecture proposed by Francis Fukuyama’s Stanford group would let users select from an open market of delegated filtering services to work as their agents, to feed them what they want from the platforms. Any of these would shift power from the platforms to each user, to control what each sees – a variation on ideas also proposed by Stephen WolframBen Thompson, and me, among others.

Interestingly, it has been largely forgotten that the much-debated 1996 law that enabled the current legal regime, Section 230, also said “It is the policy of the United States… to encourage the development of technologies which maximize user control over what information is received by individuals.” True, there are significant challenges in this approach. The most fundamental is that doing filtering (ranking and recommending) well requires access to sensitive personal data from the platforms. But promising solutions are emerging.

A path to achieving this is outlined in a series in Tech Policy Press by Chris Riley and me. The central idea is to put primary control of what each of us sees in our own hands, choosing from an open market of composable sets of filtering services that suit our individual desires. Complementing that would be a light hand of regulation to ensure minimal constraints on illegal content, while leaving the criteria for handling “lawful but awful” content to services that the users choose.

But that alone is not enough. What traditionally kept “awful” content from us was neither a censoring authority nor direct user control — but a rich ecosystem of mediating services that did filtering the old-fashioned way: Publishers, communities, and other institutions served as an open network of curators serving more or less specific audiences — that we were free to choose or bypass. Now that open meditating infrastructure is being disintermediated by the social media platforms. We had freedom of impression — but are now losing it to platform control.

Real freedom of speech requires re-mediating that kind of infrastructure for indirect user-control. There are already legislative efforts in the US and Europe to mandate interoperability — and some include user “delegatability” — to open the platforms and break up monopolies of platform law. Creation of a layer of delegated user agents can create an opening for an open infrastructure of mediating services, to support filtering, as well as other aspects of social media propagation. This can enable traditional mediating institutions to re-integrate into this online ecosystem and regain their important role — for those who value what they can offer. It can also enable platform support for new breeds of mediating services to emerge and find an important place in our media ecosystem. Some fear that this user control might worsen filter bubble echo chambers, but how many of us really want to close our eyes and remain ignorant and stupid? Individual agency in choosing from a diversity of information sources has always been the hallmark of successful societies.

In this way social media can restore the original promise of the internet as a generative base for a vibrant and open next level of society.

Observers have dismissed Musk as a “mischievous trickster god” and naïve about freedom of speech. Maybe we are all cooked. But maybe (depending on how much pot he smokes?), he might support the nascent potential of Twitter to change the game for the better – or spur the rest of us to take the pot off the burner.

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Richard Reisman (@rreisman) is an independent media-tech innovator and frequent contributor to Tech Policy Press, who blogs on human-centered digital services and tech policy at SmartlyIntertwingled.com.

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Anonymous Coward says:

What? There was nothing “open” about the legacy intermediaries when they were dominant, and they have only become more opaque since that dominance was bypassed. And more consolidated under the billionaires/wall street that you claim to hate… though only so long as they own the “wrong kind” of platform, apparently.

Christenson says:

Re: Flaws not news

Techdirt already disclaimed that the precedent of the analogy may or may not be true, that is we aren’t actually talking about frogs, but the difference between things gradual and sudden, and how the gradual things can creep up on you unremarked until conditions are very extreme and irreversible damage happens.

I first encountered the analogy in the 1980s, where activists were discussing poisoning and cancers from ionized radiation.

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Hyman Rosen (profile) says:

Outcome, Not Process

Masnick is a policy wonk, so naturally he looks at this situation and determines that we need a better process for dealing with moderation. But most people who are yelling about this stuff don’t want better policy, and don’t even think about policy. They want the end result, and don’t care how they get it. Half the country is happy Trump is banned, and the other half is furious that Trump is banned.

I don’t know how or why Masnick thinks distributed “networks of curators serving specific audiences” is going to help. Isn’t this the situation we already have with Fox News versus MSNBC? Yes, many different services that curate differently will let people choose, but a single company that offered many different choices of curation for its users would accomplish the same thing, and with less potential for abandonment than the small providers who have to do the curation while figuring out a way to get paid.

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Naughty Autie says:

Re: Re: Re:2

It’s Hymen Rosan. Do you honestly think he would accept reality? He says Trump came “within a hair’s breadth” of winning the last election despite the fact that the Tango Man gained fewer than 74 1/4 million votes and Biden gained more than 81 1/4 million votes. Before this reality was irrefutable, he probably claimed that Trump had won, too.

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Hyman Rosen (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:3 Hair's-Breadth

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election

“If the three most closely contested states (Wisconsin, Georgia, and Arizona) had gone to Trump, there would have been a tie of 269 electors for each candidate, causing a contingent election, to be decided by the House of Representatives, where Trump had the advantage. Biden’s popular-vote margin in those states totaled about 43,000, 0.03% of the national vote”

So yes, Trump was a hair’s-breadth away from a second victory.

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Lostinlodos (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:5

No, in reality Trump lost by about 150,000.
In the US votes are averaged across states. the states cast national votes based on the votes cast by people within the states.

The whole “legitimate electors” thing may not make sense to other countries but it does have some factual basis.

Many states are winner takes all, which ignores the minority votes. Others allow “faithless” electors. Where an elector casts their own personal vote in violation of the trust of the people but legally.

The actual number of votes needed was FAR smaller than the populations of the states in question on representation divisions of electoral votes.

Legally Biden won. But not by any level of pretend numbers the “left” likes to trot out the difference is thousands, not millions.

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Hyman Rosen (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:6 Election Results

Biden got 7 million more votes than Trump, 84M to 71M. But because of the electoral voting system, 43,000 votes changing in key states would have given the election to Trump.

Whether or not this is the system we want, this is the system we have, and it is known to all candidates ahead of time. Those candidates must be prepared to compete in the system as it stands. And in fact, both parties have been successful in doing so.

Hyman Rosen (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:8

3 million is also known as a lot, and yet Clinton’s margin in the popular vote did not result in her becoming president. It is both true that Biden’s plurality in the popular vote was 7 million votes and that a change in 43 thousand votes in the narrowest swing states would have given the presidency to Trump.

This is the system by which we elect presidents. You are welcome to try to get enough votes to change that system, but until then, emphasizing the disparity in popular vote may be satisfying, but it’s the electoral vote that decides who gets the office.

Scary Devil Monastery (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:6

“Legally Biden won. But not by any level of pretend numbers the “left” likes to trot out the difference is thousands, not millions.”

Your argument is that since US democracy contains loopholes and bad faith the inherent corruption of the system ensured Biden only won by a narrow margin rather than a landslide?

Are you sure that “democracy only won because our system isn’t crooked enough” is the line you want to run with here?

I mean, as a conversation piece or criticism regarding the US electoral system it’d be a valid view, but it certainly isn’t a meaningful argument if your intent was to delegitimize the Biden administration…

Lostinlodos (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:7

delegitimize the Biden administration

And where did I try to do that? I said nothing of the sort. A win is a win.

Trump’s running colour commentary ignored for a moment here. Biden would have won without the questionable electors. And yes, faithless electors are a valid point of question.
But only two of those votes may have been illegal. And it really doesn’t matter, beyond the call for justice, since there weren’t enough questionable votes to have made a difference Biden won. Full stop.

Not once did I say the election was unfair. As my history here will show I called up the Trump cam multiple times focusing on a fallacy (theft) and not actual issues of real concern.

Vote by mail only is problematic. As the postal system has never been the most reliable on timing.
But even more problematic was states that closed polling stations the day of with no advanced warning. You show up to vote and are created with a sign that says closed for this reason or by that order and are directed to another location. Legal, but questionable.

Back dating cancellation marked on ballots (by time, not shift). Legal, but questionable.

Harvesting. Legal but questionable.

Drop boxes emptied by non-elections personnel. Legality is questionable.

And bags of ballots. In parking lots. In dumpsters. In ditches. Etc. All illegal!

Governors changing rules and restrictions instead of state legislatures. Definitely illegal.

None of this is likely to have changed the election but all of it should be addressed. Not since setting my mind firm on facts in late that December have I questioned the results.

I supported the protest choice of a few brave senators not because it would change the results but because of the legal and constitutional issues in counting those EC votes.

And I stand here now; the election wasn’t “stolen”. And no amount of anything complained about would change that. But it was definitely tampered with.

It’s one of the few problems I have with the Trump presidency. His false “stolen election” drive both overshadowed actual fraud and derailed any chance of bipartisan review of how election law was violated at every level of sub-federal governance.

Hyman Rosen (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:8

I don’t know whether any of your litany of problems actually happened, or happened in numbers that would have changed anything, but I doubt it.

My problem with vote-by-mail is that it can do away with the secret ballot. In New York, for example, many Hasidic communities have a strong bloc vote dictated by their community leaders. If any of the community members would like to defect and vote differently, they can do that easily at the voting booth, but if they’re mailing in their ballots, someone can be watching them as they fill them out.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:9

If any of the community members would like to defect and vote differently, they can do that easily at the voting booth, but if they’re mailing in their ballots, someone can be watching them as they fill them out.

Do they have no privacy at all, or just when it pertains to filling something out?

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:

We know, NeoNazi.

We also know of the failed insurrection that fucking happened, as well as prominent members of the Republican Party who ENDORSED their actions, including the Orange NeoNazi himself.

I know it’s hard to accept reality, but that happened. Please do the right thing and get the fuck out, and preferably to the nearest FBI Agent to turn yourself in. Before you start being homicidal.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: The process does matter.

They want the end result, and don’t care how they get it. Half the country is happy Trump is banned, and the other half is furious that Trump is banned.

The important question is not “Should Twitter’s undo its decision to ban Trump?” but instead “Can Trump join or create a social network which moderates the way Trump wants it to?” The answer to the latter is yes. Trump made Truth Social! It’s reasonable to criticize a platform’s moderation decisions, but an initiative such as Bluesky would allow for a greater diversity of platforms and moderation algorithms than Big Tech provides. The easier it is for people to choose (and if necessary, to build) their platforms, the better. Each platform can moderate the way it wants to. The solution isn’t to force platforms to moderate a certain way, but to make it easier to get onto a platform which suits each user’s moderation needs.

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Hyman Rosen (profile) says:

Re: Re: Important Question

Maybe that’s the important question to you. To other people, the important question is why a platform that is used by an enormous number of people for speaking to each other decided to ban a former president of the United States who is still extremely popular, and whose mode of speech on that platform is no different than the mode of speech he used in getting elected.

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Hyman Rosen (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:4

That depends on what Twitter wants to be known for, and what people think Twitter is for. If Twitter wants to be a site for woke ideologues to talk to each other, they should say so. If people believe that Twitter is a place for all people to speak with each other but it’s not, people will naturally complain.

Woke ideologues telling people to go elsewhere does not address that problem of Twitter.

Hyman Rosen (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:6

Because they’re bad services with poor leadership whose base membership is the disaffected alt-right decamping from elsewhere. It’s hard to attract more people that way. The way to do that is Twitter-style. First pretend to be for everyone, then raise the woke temperature and hope to retain your membership because they haven’t noticed.

Rocky says:

Re: Re: Re:7

It’s hard to attract more people that way.

Funny that, assholes shitting things up drives people away – who woulda thunk it…

The way to do that is Twitter-style. First pretend to be for everyone, then raise the woke temperature and hope to retain your membership because they haven’t noticed.

So you think Twitter planned on attracting assholes as users and then boot them out?

Hahahahahahahaha, omg, that’s the most stupid thing I’ve read in a while…

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Hyman Rosen (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:8

Not exactly. Twitter started off as a site for everyone, but then the wokerati at the company and elsewhere became alarmed that non-woke opinions were becoming popular on the site, and determined to do something about it. Of course, being woke, they didn’t think of it in terms of woke and non-woke, just in terms of right and wrong, good and evil, true and false. But the effect was the same, increasing resistance to wrong-think until people finally noticed and pushed back.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:9

But the effect was the same, increasing resistance to wrong-think until people finally noticed and pushed back.

If they had ‘pushed back’ by leaving Twitter (and thus reducing their advertising audience), I’d say you had a point.

But they didn’t leave. So what is Twitter’s incentive to cater to them? It’s obvious that they’re not inclined to take their shit somewhere else, or they would’ve.

You people showed your cards when you didn’t fuck off somewhere else.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:7

Because they’re bad services with poor leadership whose base membership is the disaffected alt-right decamping from elsewhere.

This is honestly no skin off my nose. Your team chose to play their cards wrong and now they’re living the consequences of behaving badly. They had one chance to stick it to the “wokerati” and couldn’t even avoid fucking that up themselves.

First pretend to be for everyone, then raise the woke temperature and hope to retain your membership because they haven’t noticed.

Yeah, it turns out that when you boast about how many Democrats and leftists you’ve been busy kicking out of your platform, people notice.

Rocky says:

Re: Re: Re:5

Woke ideologues telling people to go elsewhere does not address that problem of Twitter.

You keep using the word “woke” for every ill you perceive. It’s the simpletons’ excuse for everything they don’t like.

But the thing is, you want Trump back because you think he’s popular and that begs the question why he doesn’t use Truth Social? If he did it would grow, wouldn’t it? And that means you can go there and say whatever you want to escape the horrible “woke ideologues” that makes your life so miserable.

I’ll just add an observation, people who use “woke” are people who have stopped growing as a person – they refuse to realize that society isn’t static and it is constantly changing when it comes to what is socially acceptable or not. It was the same when calling black people “niggers” went out of fashion because it was racist – the socially stunted population couldn’t accept it because that would mean that they had to accept that those they have looked down at all their life should suddenly be treated as their equals.

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Hyman Rosen (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:6

Because the first-mover effect is hard to overcome. Twitter is enormous compared to the newcomers, and everyone is already there and using it, so it takes great effort to overcome that inertia and get people to go somewhere else. Presumably Trump’s narcissism is such that it makes him unable to use a small service where he does not have an enormous number of followers, ironically illustrating that problem.

Using “woke” in derision isn’t about resisting social change, it is about calling out the lies of a ridiculously false constellation of left-wing ideas that should not be permitted to go unchallenged. Not calling Black people by racial slurs is welcome social change. Saying that transwomen are women is abject denial of physical reality.

Rocky says:

Re: Re: Re:7

No, it shows that some people just give up in the face of some adversity, nothing is free, you have to work for it. To attract followers you have to be better than the alternatives or have an attractive gimmick. What’s the point in creating a competing social media company and then not use it to attract followers so it can grow? How many created an account at Truth Social with the expectation that Trump would post there and how many of them left because he didn’t? Talk about setting something up for failure.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:7

Twitter is enormous compared to the newcomers, and everyone is already there and using it, so it takes great effort to overcome that inertia and get people to go somewhere else.

Or, the ideas you consider ‘important enough to build your own space to express’ aren’t really that important at all. Have you considered the possibility that no one gives a shit about what these poor, persecuted people are saying?

Lostinlodos (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:6

I’ll say this on woke. The Woke population is the people who demand immediate change with zero regard for anything else.
When ArsT, clearly a left/progressive source, can take a moment to step back and look at the HOW beyond the now (Electric cars/client change) you see the divide. Even Mother Jones has a tendency to point out a need to consider consequences, though often as a passing addendum.

Woke is the toxic cancer part of the liberal progressive movement that continually derails the very progress so many of us want to achieve.
Me me me now now now.

They’re like 2yos. Take take and cry when you can’t have.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:9 Well you tried for a gotcha… sort of

Wannabe dumbass fascists who think the only means argument is to accuse people of exactly what they are thinking and doing due to a a failure of empathy or imagination. Or because the only way you’ve found to get attention from other people in your otherwise unremarkable life is to badly imitate your “peers” in a misguided attempt to fit in because you have no real friends.

You know… you people, specifically. Not that you’ll ever admit it.

Lostinlodos (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:10

There’s a few problems with your belief.
The first is that I clearly am not fascist. On the 10×10 scale of authority I rate a 6 to the anti-authority side.

There’s also the fact that I stand directly opposed to many conservative values. Like government religion (prayer, bible, in god [you] trust). And bigotry by design (transphobia). The military industrial complex.

We have different approaches, the far left “woke” and is progressives and libertarians. They want to tax all wealth and we want to tax the source. They want gender inclusion and we want gender ignorance. They are pro choice period and we are pro life and pro choice. They want government healthcare and we want universal regardless of head. They want to ban fossil files and we want clean burn catch now, and gradual shift away. They want international intervention and we want increased isolation.
They, the “woke” want direct and immediate action. We prefer gradual guidance and shift.

On the us scale I’m so far left I’m off the chart. On international scales I fall further left than centre.

And my comment history is in my profile. But nice try there.
The problem with such self-aggrandising statements is that it only works if you actual know the target fits.

Again I welcome any person who claims and believes they’re on the “left” to throw up a list of topics or goals. You’ll find my greater agreement interesting even if we differ on the route to reach there.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:11

On the 10×10 scale of authority I rate a 6 to the anti-authority side.

6 is being excessively generous. What you do is claim to be “anti-authority” until it becomes marginally inconveniencing, then you bend over backwards to appease the Karens. Because imagine the shit fit they’d kick up.

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Naughty Autie says:

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Because when you violate the ToS as Trump did, being popular shouldn’t prevent you from being banned. Or do you think that people advocating for the forced abortions of unborn children should also be above scrutiny? What’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, after all.

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Hyman Rosen (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:2

Advocating for forced abortions is a legitimate point of view. China did it for many years to control population. Some people, myself included, believe that it’s immoral to deliberately create a disabled child by allowing a fetus with known developmental issues to come to term. I do not advocate for forced abortions in that case, believing that such a regime would cause more problems than it solves, but it would not be unreasonable for people to believe otherwise.

Hyman Rosen (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:4

On the other hand, referring to “rape babies” is wrong. Most importantly, a child is not responsible for how it was conceived. Secondarily, pregnancies conceived of rape are as irrelevant to the majority of abortions as lack of rape by transwomen in bathrooms is irrelevant to keeping transwomen out of women’s bathrooms. They are rare cases used to stir up voters who might not be excited to action by the more mundane realities.

Hyman Rosen (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:6

That’s a magnificently stupid idea. We already have a functioning opt-in eugenics, where people can choose to use genetic testing to decide whether to abort a fetus that will become a disabled child, or even one of the unpreferred sex. People in high-risk populations use genetic testing to see if a marriage might lead to problems, such as if husband and wife are both Tay-Sachs carriers.

The notion that you’re going to be able to stop people from optimizing the health and well-being of their children is about as dumb as having schools hide their children’s mental problems from parents.

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Rocky says:

Re: Re: Re:3

What a logical fart.

There is no question at all if the TOS are correct or not because they are what Twitter decided them to be, and that means Trump was finally banned for violating them on numerous occasions. Whether you think the rules are correct or not doesn’t matter one bit.

The problem you have is that you want Trump to be treated differently just because you think he’s popular or whatever other reason you can dredge up. In short, you want different rules for different people.

Scary Devil Monastery (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:

“…a former president of the United States who is still extremely popular…”

No, there’s the issue there, I think. Trump’s “popularity” has been waning quite quickly, even among his base. With him being increasingly sidelined by his own party and his endorsed candidates getting primaried in even the reddest of states, his horde of grievance-addicted morons are now looking for a new dealer to supply that sweet, sweet outrage to which they’re hooked.

It’s really ironic. Trump demands loyalty from his minions yet he chose to cater to the demographic so addled on outrage and grievance their “unswerving support” swerves, in a heartbeat, to the demagogue best able to deliver the grievance they’re looking for.

The only parts of his base still clinging to his words by now are the bigots, racists and ultra-authoritarians with an agenda. The rest of the lemmings have crawled off to suckle the good stuff out of Hawleys, Boeberts and MTGs teats instead, since they still make rather a lot more noise than Trump does these days.

Scary Devil Monastery (profile) says:

Re: Re:

“Dude, do you have a hard on for Mike Masnick or something?”

Looks like “Hyman Rosen” is Baghdad Bob’s – formerly known as out_of_the_blue, Jhon smith, and bobmail – new moniker. He’s the only one around here who can’t help himself from treating Masnick as his personal nemesis since that time, over a decade ago by now, when Masnick coined the line “There are motherfuckers, dumb motherfuckers…and then there’s you

Ever since he’s swung around under dozens of random nicks and AC’s with a clear tell being that his only commentary to whatever the OP is, is an ad hom aimed at Mike Masnick.

The way old Baghdad Bob broke down into incoherent flaming and embarked on this decades-long crusade against all comments Masnick showcases the tendency of the Alt-right to be composed of brittle and very special snowflakes with a “unique” way of viewing factual reality. Apparently by squeezing their eyes shut and screaming like irate toddlers.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:

Eh, out_of_the_blue was very clearly his own distinct identity. John Smith/bobmail was the one shilling hard for Prenda, mailing lists, and the death of Section 230 as the new dawn for copyright enforcement. From what I can tell, Masnick hinted that his new moniker is “Nah” – and he’s decided to go all in on the “my only trait is I can’t stand sexual and gender minorities” angle. He showed up for like all of one article then yeeted himself because he realized Mike would always be able to call him out every time.

Hyman Rosen is marginally polite, but Chozen is a terrible standard if you’re looking for a bar to clear.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re:

…and the other half is furious that Trump is banned.

Banned from what? He built his own platform for fucks sake, and he’s using it.

What in the fuck are you people STILL focusing on Twitter for? Didn’t his platform solve the problem?

Goddammit boy, but all you fuckers do is complain, even after you ‘stick it big tech’ and are ‘building a platform that supports free speech.’ If that was all for nothing, it’s kind of a stupid look, isn’t it?

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Hyman Rosen (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:4

Being suspicious of a site that incorporates “truth” in its name is entirely appropriate. It’s a near certainty that right-wing sites springing up in response to left-wing bias on the major sites are themselves going to be useless and biased. They might grow into something better given enough time, or they might just metastasize the way Fox News has. It would be better if the major sites purged their left-wing bias and didn’t splinter their user bases.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:5

So if Twitter is useless and biased, what’s the problem with letting it die out and feed upon itself like rats on a sinking ship?

You Trump fans are weird. You’ll laugh and mock and boycott every platform who lets enbies be enbies, but then you’ll bend over backwards screaming to be let back on. Make up your damn minds.

Hyman Rosen (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:6

I am not a Trump fan, very much the contrary, but of course freedom of speech should apply even to people one disdains.

Why would I want Twitter to die? Twitter is a wonderful platform for people to communicate with each other. I want Twitter to be better, which means not engaging in viewpoint-based censorship.

I don’t use Twitter myself (but not as a boycott, just because I don’t find the format appealing). However I did delete my Facebook account after they gave me several timeouts for posts similar to the ones I write here. Not only did I find the viewpoint-based censorship repugnant, but the “community standards timeout” process itself seems designed to encourage self-censorship, trying to nudge people away from posting unwoke opinions.

That actually illustrates another problem with the platforms. On Facebook I was a member of a number of affinity groups most of which were not political, and in which I only posted things appropriate to those groups. But the community timeouts apply across the board. That’s why it took me a while to decide to leave – I had to weigh the cost of being silenced against the benefit of being able to participate in those other groups. That’s why the “go somewhere else” suggestions are not terribly useful.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:7

but of course freedom of speech should apply even to people one disdains.

But that does not mean you can join every club, or butt in on every conversation. Forcing platforms to accept all legal speech is enables those who forcefully express their viewpoint to badger those you disagree with into silence. That is not freedom of speech, that is the hecklers win.

Hyman Rosen (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:8

Yes, but I am not suggesting forcing platforms to do anything. I am criticizing platforms for viewpoint-based censorship and expressing hope that they will change to do better.

The reason you woke ideologues keep insisting that we want to force platforms to change is so that you can hide behind the First Amendment and say that platforms cannot be forced to change. True but irrelevant. Criticism is not force.

Rocky says:

Re: Re: Re:3

Yay! Conflating things to make some kind of “argument”.

Twitter adding a note to a post saying that the information it contains are false isn’t viewpoint discrimination – but you know this.

But I’ll re-iterate my point: No one has yet proved that viewpoint discrimination is happening

Lostinlodos (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:6

And someday you will bring proof of that.

I’m not going to try hard because I have very very little interest in the ‘service’ of twitter in the first place. And consider myself forced to use it as a company who’s product I utilise has moved all public announcement there.
But we’ll try this:
https://mobile.twitter.com/TwitterSupport/status/1276661483561029632?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1276661483561029632%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_

Don’t play stupid.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:

The problem is that one of the most popular sites that people use to speak with each other is using viewpoint-based censorship and banning speakers whom millions want to hear.

Welp, if millions wanted to hear shit that isn’t on Twitter, you’d think the alt-sites would cater to a void not currently being fulfilled by Twitter.

The fact that they’re not suggests these ‘millions’ you’re talking about isn’t ‘millions’ at all.

The fact that Twitter is still the platform of choice for those looking to stick it to big tech suggests that you whiners only want an audience, despite there being no 1A right to it whatsoever.

So my statements were correct –

Trump built Truth Social because he’s a short-sighted failed businessman, who only has any money to do things like this is because of the gullible nature of his base.

Truth Social (and all the other alt-social sites) will NEVER rival Twitter, because for some reason, despite the ‘millions’ who demand free speech on it, same people are unwilling to deny Twitter the funding via their user accounts.

It still ain’t a good look, bud. It’s just admitting that you’re unable to get a significant following on the merits of your speech, that ‘millions’ supposedly want to hear.

OGquaker says:

Doctor, it's my eyes

It was so more transparent (s/) when unknowable (to us 99.9%) oligarchs on cross-linked “Boards-Of-Directors” ran the matrix.
At least “billionaires” are visible to us ~~Pork-bellies~~ masses. BoardsOfDirectors are the tiny sub-set of humans that have a singular goal BY LAW: extract the lives/time (thus money) from the rest of us on this planet, dictate what we can buy and eat, pick the latest laws & Judge appointments… Start a war about controlling their markets. Thus BOD’s constrain all of the otherwise available possibilities in billions of lives, except walking into the forest and never coming out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wF7zc_YK6A

Scary Devil Monastery (profile) says:

Re:

The trope is called “Chekov’s gun”.

Where Musk is concerned, though, his intentions made clear are leading Twitter down Morton’s fork. No matter where he goes from here, that platform’s now been attainted. Given the amount of Money invested – and the stakeholders; Larry Ellison of Oracle, A Saudi Prince known for venality and corruption, and a few capital investment companies of infamous renown – it’s hard to imagine the bid isn’t following some agenda other than mere desire to acquire another bullhorn of opinion.

Anonymous Coward says:

Call it a bug report.

I clicked on Richard Reisman’s name in the article to see their previous articles, but instead of bringing me to their profile and previous articles, I am brought to a blank page.

I’ve checked to see if it’s on other articles, and it’s not, at least for the major contributing writers.

This is weird, considering that even the Greenhouse stuff correctly links to the author’s bio and articles written on the site at least.

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