Australian Police Confiscate Pastafarian Man's Guns Because He Posed For His ID Card Wearing A Colander

from the half-baked-noodle dept

I have to admit, the whole Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster thing is beautiful to me. The whole concept hits exactly the sweet spot of the irony bat for someone who preaches secularism in the face of a diverse population. If you somehow don’t know the history of this “church”, go read up on it. It’s completely worth it. The point being made by so-called pastafarians is one of keeping religion out of the government and vice versa. It started with combatting a misguided attempt to inject faith into public schools, but it has evolved to mock any attempt to bring religious dogma into the public square.

The latest example comes from Australia, where a self-described pastafarian went about mocking the rules set up for firearm ID pictures by wearing a colander on his head.

Guy Albon convinced the photographer that he was a member of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster so that he could wear the colander- a symbol of the satirical religious movement whose members refer to themselves as Pastafarians. The 30-year-old said he exploited a law that allows headgear to be worn in photos.

‘The law stipulates you can have something on your head,’ he said. ‘You have to have your entire face uncovered and if the headgear is being worn it has to have some religious significance. I thought ‘I’ve got this one in the bag’ – it was an absolute scream.’

And he’s right. After all, when you make an exemption allowing head-dress to be worn in government ID pictures so long as it represents something to do with your faith, the government then doesn’t get to question that faith, assuming that government affords people the freedom of religion. Which Australia does. And which this guy used to mock the entire concept of the exemption. But, hell, it’s not like the government could actually do anything about it, right? He’s following the rules.

Officers came to his home, where they seized two handguns and two rifles and ordered him to see a psychiatrist. According to Mr Albon, the psychiatrist immediately declared him as sane and ‘laughed it off’.

It’s the one thing they can’t do: set up rules based around faith and then persecute a man for following those rules. Yes he was mocking them, yes he wasn’t sincere in his religious conviction, but the reaction of the police opens up an entire can of worms that I don’t think they really want opened. The government exempting head-dress for pictures in order to keep themselves out of religion is one thing, and an admirable thing, but then going after someone for mocking that process via seemingly protected speech breaks the whole system. No, probably better for the government to just stay the hell out of the faith business entirely. Otherwise, you get stories like this, where a law-abiding citizen has his legally owned firearms temporarily removed because of a judgment call on his faith.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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no, he and his dog would have been shot in the back in “self defense” by the officers confiscating said guns after they threw a flash bang into the crib of his newborn child and beat up his wife.

The wife then would be declared insane for questioning if the force used was appropriate or not.

The officers involved get a paid vacation while the “investigation” is run and after it is done, they get a medal for extraordinary heroism and a promotion with pay raise.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: As a holder of a ThD...

If you give it enough time, some idiot will be zealous enough to do it.

Religion is not the problem… it has always been the humans, failure to see this has been one of humanities greatest ignorance’s. What faith or religion does the Weather Underground subscribe to? They bombed things!

The only thing a Pastafarian truly symbolizes is the puerile stupidity and childishness of mankind, even in their mocking of the very idea!

Anonymous Coward says:

I can’t tell if acquiring firearms without a license was perfectly feasible and the problem only arose once he submitted his picture or if no-one gave a shit about the picture until enough time had passed for the application to be submitted and verified and the individual bought several guns. Or maybe people with silly hats only arouse suspicion once they have purchased more than three guns? I think real life has out-satired the satirists here.

Anon says:

Not Serious?

If his sincere belief is that the right to wear headgear is a stupid law, and his sincere belief is that it is his right to wear this gear in followance of what he believes – then he has the right to wear this headgear. Seriousness, mockery, etc. have nothing to do with it. Indeed, mockery is at the core of his beliefs, thus should be protected.

Anonymous Anonymous Coward says:

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I was thinking of the ‘First Chuch of the Last Laugh’, near as I can discern based in San Francisco whom hold an annual St Stupids day parade on…wait for it…April 1st.

http://www.saintstupid.com/

They tend to worship at financial institutions, The Federal Reserve where they exchange non winning lottery tickets, and the Pacific Stock Exchange where they exchanged socks (OK, it was a number of years ago that I had an opportunity to observe their antics, but I seriously doubt they have changed much).

Showing, and sort of explaining them to out-of-towners was a real treat. Oh, you mean Only in San Francisco?, I guess.

Anonymous Coward says:

In what sane world should religious beliefs not be used to determine political choices?

If a politician doesn’t have to listen to his constituents, don’t pretend religion is the reason. Stop being an anti-religious asshat and report on something other than the fact that religious people are stupid and you can’t believe all it takes is wearing a metal pot on your head to make people think you’re of unsound mind. The horrors of a society that requires you to abide by some kind of norm to be accepted are not limited to religion the way this article blindly implies.

G Thompson (profile) says:

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Well lets see.. oh yeah AUSTRALIA for one does not allow politicians to be selected or chosen based on religious ideals in fact Religion is a verbotim subject in ANY election within Australia and only the fringe parties that are mostly of the charismatic bent proclaim “belief” as a guiding thing.

27% of Australians proclaim via our last census that they were absolutely NON religious (athiest/agnostic) and they are the ones who cared to answer the religious question which is NOT compulsory (unlike the rest) so yeah Australians don’t really give a flying fuck about religion, most don’t ask nor care if you are but if you try to shove it down our throats politically or otherwise we bite back HARD!

The Government just found this out by our High Court only recently (last week) declaring the funding of Chaplains in public schools as not only unconstitutional but also illegal.

Religion itself might not be the problem, but the idiocy of its worshippers certainly are IN ALL RELIGIONS!

G Thompson (profile) says:

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I’m not a liberal believe it or not.. I’m Australian..

this is what we actually think, and for you to conflate religion with discrimination between women and race means you really ahve no idea.

Discrimination based on Religious is an offense in Australia, it’s just that goes BOTH ways not just with the one sided inequity that is currently shown in America whereas if you don’t believe in the one true baptist/protestant/catholic/judaic/charismatic deity then you are branded as a muslim -ie:terrorist (which is strange in its own right since Islam is just another offshoot of the Abrahamic religions), a communist (not even a religion), a satanist, or atheist, or ‘liberal’ (what that means no one freakin knows). And don’t get me started on how America treats people of differing sexuality based on the stupid notion of religion.

Can you see the hypocrisy? Probably not, and therein lies the problem. As for your comment on how I might treat people.. I try to treat everyone equally unless they are inherently stupid and have no capacity to understand their idiocy.

So how should I treat you?

Anonymous Coward says:

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“If people treated those with colored skin or women the way people treat religious practitioners, liberals like you would flip a tit.”

You mean the “religious practitioners” who claim to be persecuted because they are not allowed to proselytize at work, in public schools or in government?

… and flip a what?

Anonymous Coward says:

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Try walking a mile in a Christian’s shoes. Seriously go do it. Spend a day casually bringing up your faith in the online communities you’re part of.

You won’t last three times before someone has went on a tirade about how idiotic creationists are for believing in a make believe man in the sky, or how the religious people are the reason gay kids shoot up schools, or how if it weren’t for this damned conservatives we’d finally all be able to smoke pot.

And better- the deragatory attitude won’t be towards gays, blacks, or women, it’ll be towards you. Then you can at least walk away from it realizing comments like “religious persecution doesn’t exist and you comparing it to gay/minority/women suffering proves you’re an idiot” are totally ignorant.

Anonymous Coward says:

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If you do not want to be the subject of responses to your casual discussions, then stop proselytizing. It really is that simple. Many people of religious belief happily keep it to themselves. Maybe you shouldn’t bother others.

But I imagine you are the type that claims a right to foist your beliefs upon others whilst complaining about their responses.

Anonymous Coward says:

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I have no problem with people who believe there is no god. I have no problem with people that simply don’t believe there is a god. What I have a problem with is Atlas Shrugged reading asshats that pretend like any blip of religious practice makes you a moron unfit to participate in modern society. It’s tiring, it’s childish, and it’s no where near the level of percieved persecution or annoyance anti-theists think they have to put up with.

Then again, that’s the Internet for you.

aidian holder (user link) says:

The worst part of this story....

…is the idea that Australians have to get a license just to own a gun. The pastafarian angle is cool, and I love the way pastafarians point up the absurdity of religion in the public sphere, but the biggest violation here isn’t that they took his guns for wearing a colander on his head. The biggest issue here is that he has to go get a license from the state just to own a firearm.

G Thompson (profile) says:

Re: The worst part of this story....

Because as the other commentator stated you need to know the rules and regulations, be aware of responsibilities, have capacity to understand, and a few more things to actually own something that is NOT A RIGHT in Australia, nor is it a right in any other country other than the strangeness that is the USA!

Compare our gun violence and murder rate and violent crime rate per capita to the USA and you might see a MAJOR difference, though sadly only people either outside of the USA, or those who have studied or intelligently understand the idiocy that is your prevalence of a gun culture can understand how strange and wrong that actually is.

Oh and if your reasoning to have a ‘right to bear arms’ is to either protect yourself or to ‘fight the power of govt corruption’… hows that working out for you? lol

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: The worst part of this story....

Gun related deaths in the USA yearly: 10K.

Gun related homicides in the USA yearly: 3K.

People killed in mass shootings in the USA yearly: 200.

Stop spreading FUD and do some research, the CDC and FBI release shit yearly on causes of deaths. Hell, the CDC added a note that the media hyping up gun violence is why they started including homicide, accidental, and undetermined categories. Same thing with the FBI mention of the minimal risk of mass shootings.

G Thompson (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re: The worst part of this story....

I’m actually in the legal profession dealing with both defense and prosecution and know exactly how much FUD the media spins due to violent crimes etc etc and how most homicides have actually decreased since the mid 70’s WORLD WIDE, it’s not just a USA phenomenon.

That’s not what I was asking about.

You conveniently forgot the other statistic I talked about.

ie: Any Crimes where weapons (in particular firearms) are used to intimidate, harass, coerce, rob, assault, inflict harm, etc.

I wasn’t just talking about homicides, though they are still on the high side per capita then anywhere else in the ‘western’ world. Once again it just shows you cannot see past the biased mindset that you already have against anyone who might take logic and show that the USA is a gun toting egocentric violent place compared to the rest of the planet.

TechNoFear (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re: The worst part of this story....

You appear to be spreading FUD as well…

According to the FBI UCR there are 8-9,000 homicides with a firearm each year between 2008 and 2012.

The CDC lists over 81,000 Americans non fatally shot in 2012.

An additional 19,990 Americans used a firearm to commit suicide in 2011.

All because less than 30% of Americans want to own a firearm…

Homicides;
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_8_murder_victims_by_weapon_2008-2012.xls

Injuries;
http://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/nfirates2001.html

Suicides;
http://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/mortrate10_us.html

Ownership rates;
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/06/04/a-minority-of-americans-own-guns-but-just-how-many-is-unclear/

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